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    Banning System

    Post by UnknownMage on Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:10 pm

    As most of you know, the following is how our banning system works.

    Old Format:

    If you are banned, you are to make a ban appeal in the "Ban Appeals" section of the forums.
    You are to follow the correct format.
    If you were banned before, you cannot be unbanned a second time.
    If you were banned for no reason (hackers/staff abusing powers/etc.), you may be unbanned without it being counted as a ban for future reference.

    I am not sure how effective this is, as some members might be banned for miniscule reasons. Some members might actually be accused for things they didn't commit.


    Some things might have existed in the old format, but just restating to make sure.
    New Format:

    For the Banned:
    If banned, make a Ban Appeal with format.
    You must wait for a staff member to post a reply before making a response.
    - If making too many appeals (overall staff's decision on amount), your ban time may be extended or you may be temporarily banned from forums.
    - If not following format 2 times After being asked to follow it, staff has the right to ignore your appeal.
    - If your appeal is inappropriate, the staff can decide to ignore the ban appeal. If it goes to an extreme, staff may permanently ban you from the server and forums.
    - You may respond to ban appeals by posting another topic with "Reply" included in the title. (Optional/I don't think many are going to follow this)
    - The banned person has the right to formally and properly ask for the reason they were banned or for the person that banned them to explain the situation.
    Any staff member may decide on a punishment, ruling, consequence, or result.
    - Any staff member may decide to disagree on a punishment and ask for a different punishment.
    - If two-fifths or more of the staff decide that the person in question should not be unbanned, the staff will vote in the Staff Section to decide on the person's ruling.
    -- If four-fifths or more of the staff decide that the person in question should not be unbanned, the person is to be permanently banned from the server.
    --- If three-fifths of the staff decide to reconsider a person that is permanently banned, they are to discuss it in the Staff Section of the forums.

    For the Banned Again:
    If a person is banned again after their first ban, they are not to be unbanned Unless one of the following is applicable:
    - If they feel that the reason that they were banned was unfair, they have the right to appeal to remove the ban from their records.
    -- The staff will have to decide on a majority vote on whether or not a ban is to be removed.
    - The person's previous ban(s) was removed because it was from:
    -- A hacker, griefer, exploiter of bugs, etc. anything related is found banning people.
    -- An anti-spam plugin is found to be over-protective, which leads to the banning of people randomly.
    - Staff decides to unban on vote

    For the Accused:
    If a person believes they have been accused incorrectly, they may make an appeal stating so.
    - The accused person will have to present proof. Alibis, witnesses, testimonies, evidence, screenshots, etc (anything related) is welcomed.
    - If nothing is provided to contradict the accusation that has proof, the appeal will be denied.

    Overall Powers:
    The staff member that banned the person in question has their decision counted twice.
    The Owner has final say in any decision. His choice can only be overruled by three-fifths of overall staff.

    The reason I am posting this in the Announcements section is to get feedback from the community and the staff. I hope you guys take the time to read this.
    Any suggestions are welcomed. I probably haven't covered everything I wanted to.

    P.S. Yes, I have done the configs, but I need some things to be done by the staff before updating tomorrow. I might just update the server tomorrow without finishing the last touches, but that is not recommended.
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by thek826 on Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:06 am

    Wow thx for taking the time to make this Mage Very Happy The original banning system wasn't really written down anywhere (it was kind of just spread around throughout various posts).
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by 44bottles on Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:21 am

    I like how you have given a way for your decision to be overturned. No more dictatorship Very Happy. Razz

    Also, would a tempban be counted as one of a person's chances or not since no appeal is needed.
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by Sandyman on Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:28 am

    This is awesome. Thanks mage.
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by PlayboxxIsEpic on Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:44 am

    Amazing, Even tho i haven't been on minecraft in over 2months, Well if you count the time i went on for 1 day, yea, Thanks Mage.
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by Le_Binster on Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:58 pm

    Thanks Mage.
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by UnknownMage on Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:55 pm

    I suppose I didn't make it clear in the primary post.

    This was actually a proposal over the older format, which has never been established.
    I am still looking into tweaking it, so I am asking for suggestions.

    As for temp-bans, I am not sure how to work with them.
    What do you guys think?
    My opinion:

    There isn't a way for us to record temp bans permanently, so unless a thread was made I don't know how to count them.
    Also, if the person was temp-banned, doesn't that sometimes mean that the reason was not good enough for a full ban?


    Side Note:

    I have a project and a lab report to work on, only took a small break to check forums. I have a three day vacation starting Wednesday, so I will definitely update then. So sorry about that, I think I said somewhere I was going to try and update today.
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by thek826 on Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:07 pm

    UnknownMage wrote:I suppose I didn't make it clear in the primary post.

    This was actually a proposal over the older format, which has never been established.
    I am still looking into tweaking it, so I am asking for suggestions.

    As for temp-bans, I am not sure how to work with them.
    What do you guys think?
    My opinion:

    There isn't a way for us to record temp bans permanently, so unless a thread was made I don't know how to count them.
    Also, if the person was temp-banned, doesn't that sometimes mean that the reason was not good enough for a full ban?


    Side Note:

    I have a project and a lab report to work on, only took a small break to check forums. I have a three day vacation starting Wednesday, so I will definitely update then. So sorry about that, I think I said somewhere I was going to try and update today.

    We might want to define what temp ban is. Is it just when we use /tempban? Or is it when we decide to unban someone that was banned with /db, /dbip or /ban?
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by thek826 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:17 pm

    Can I propose an amendment? How about if someone claims he/she did nothing wrong (and there is no proof to show that he/she did nothing wrong), the minimum ban time must be 72 hours.

    Why?
    A) 95% of the time they are lying.
    B) It gives the staff member who banned him or her some time to respond.
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by UnknownMage on Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:43 pm

    thek826 wrote:Can I propose an amendment? How about if someone claims he/she did nothing wrong (and there is no proof to show that he/she did nothing wrong), the minimum ban time must be 72 hours.

    Why?
    A) 95% of the time they are lying.
    B) It gives the staff member who banned him or her some time to respond.

    How about 48-72 hours? That should be plenty of time for a staff member and the person making the appeal to respond to each other.

    As for an amendment, time to think of a vague yet precise statement ...

    Amendment 1:

    Article in Question:
    Reasons:
    - The banned person has the right to formally and properly ask for the reason they were banned or for the person that banned them to explain the situation.

    Proposed by thek826:
    If the banned person doesn't know the reason for their ban, they may ask for the reason from the staff.
    - The person must ask formally and properly. Any cruel or rude remarks towards a specific individual or group may lead to a permanent ban from the server and forums.
    -- If one-fifth of staff finds a statement unnecessary, ban appeal may be extended.
    -- If three-fifths of staff find a statement unnecessary, person may be temporarily banned from forums and server.
    -- If nine-tenths of staff find a statement unnecessary, person may be permanently banned from server and forums.
    - If the person states that they were banned without probable cause without stating evidence to prove so, their ban appeal time may be extended if the Staff Member sees fit.
    -- Time limit may not be excessive. (Anyone see a similarity here?)


    As for the definition of temp-ban...
    Got any good definitions?
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by showtime3636 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:23 pm

    I think of a temp ban as a sort of a time out. You aren't banned perminantly, but you get a break off of the Server for the rude thing u did. It's like giving someone a suspension from school. They arnt expelled, but they are not at the school (server in our case)
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by UnknownMage on Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:21 pm

    showtime3636 wrote:I think of a temp ban as a sort of a time out. You aren't banned perminantly, but you get a break off of the Server for the rude thing u did. It's like giving someone a suspension from school. They arnt expelled, but they are not at the school (server in our case)

    I have to say, that is a great definition in my point of view.

    Any other opinions?
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by thek826 on Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:34 pm

    UnknownMage wrote:
    For the Banned:
    --- If three-fifths of the staff decide to reconsider a person that is permanently banned, they are to discuss it in the Staff Section of the forums.

    For the Banned Again:
    -- The staff will have to decide on a majority vote on whether or not a ban is to be removed.

    Overall Powers:
    The staff member that banned the person in question has their decision counted twice.
    The Owner has final say in any decision. His choice can only be overruled by three-fifths of overall staff.
    [/spoiler]

    I don't understand why it takes 3/5 of staff to "reconsider" a perm ban while it takes 1/2 of the staff +1 to unban. Wouldn't they already inherently be getting unbanned since the 3/5 will almost certainly want to unban anyway?
    Suggestion: Make it so that any staff member can bring a possible unbanning of a perm banned person to a vote (wherein a majority would have to vote yes for the player to be unbanned), but if the vote fails then there must be at least a 30 day waiting period before any other vote can be taken to reconsider the previous consensus.



    Speaking of which, I totally didn't realize that you needed 3/5 of the staff before taking a vote on a perm ban; sorry about that Razz
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by iivastdogs on Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:47 pm

    ah I see, Listen here, I have become a staff member on another server, [pretty shocking right] and this server has maybe 30-50 people online 24/7. There have been, many spammers, pvploggers, hackers, people who advertise other servers and More. So they came up With This smart Strike Systeme. Easy to follow, here it is. I hope staff Take this into Consideration.

    1 Strike= 15minute Mute/jail
    2 Strike= 2 hour mute/jail
    3 Strike= 1 day mute/jail
    4 Strike= 3 day mute/jail
    5 Strike= 1 Day TempBan
    7 Strike= 3 day TempBan
    10 Strike= Perm Ban [ must create a ban appeal to get unbanned]

    Spamming, Capsing like 10 words, Disrespecting Staff, = 1 strike. But Staff Must Warn the player/players Before Muting Them For 15 minutes. Once Staff Mute the Player/players, They Must type it down on a thread, [ mage may add a thread ] Thread Name '' Striked Players ] and They must Type on It saying The player's ign, why they are on 1 strike. And From there, they can get 2 strikes, 3 strikes, the thread is to keep count on how many players have how many strikes.

    Advertising a Server = Automatic 5 strikes, 1 day temp ban. Fair enough? Staff Who temp ban them must Type it down on the thread, To remember That The Specific player is on 5 strikes.

    Using Xray, or any hacked clients/pvp hacked clients = 10 strikes PErm Ban. YOu must create a ban appeal to get unbanned from here.

    now, For the pvp rules, Pvplogging one time = 1 strike. Any non Staff Can take a look for this, Record The player Pvplogging, and the player may get a 15 min jail, But, If the player pvploggs 5 times. and it is all Recorded. Temp Ban 1 day because 5 pvplog= 5 strikes.

    Update for this: staff may decide At one point that Disrespecting Staff = 3 strikes after being warned.

    This is it, If You Staff Actually Take Consideration for this new Strike Systeme, I will be Very Happy. This could help you guys get more organised for the new server Mage is working on Very Happy Once again, This is k1lla92735, The New K1lla92735.
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by thek826 on Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:09 pm

    iivastdogs wrote:ah I see, Listen here, I have become a staff member on another server, [pretty shocking right] and this server has maybe 30-50 people online 24/7. There have been, many spammers, pvploggers, hackers, people who advertise other servers and More. So they came up With This smart Strike Systeme. Easy to follow, here it is. I hope staff Take this into Consideration.

    1 Strike= 15minute Mute/jail
    2 Strike= 2 hour mute/jail
    3 Strike= 1 day mute/jail
    4 Strike= 3 day mute/jail
    5 Strike= 1 Day TempBan
    7 Strike= 3 day TempBan
    10 Strike= Perm Ban [ must create a ban appeal to get unbanned]

    Spamming, Capsing like 10 words, Disrespecting Staff, = 1 strike. But Staff Must Warn the player/players Before Muting Them For 15 minutes. Once Staff Mute the Player/players, They Must type it down on a thread, [ mage may add a thread ] Thread Name '' Striked Players ] and They must Type on It saying The player's ign, why they are on 1 strike. And From there, they can get 2 strikes, 3 strikes, the thread is to keep count on how many players have how many strikes.

    Advertising a Server = Automatic 5 strikes, 1 day temp ban. Fair enough? Staff Who temp ban them must Type it down on the thread, To remember That The Specific player is on 5 strikes.

    Using Xray, or any hacked clients/pvp hacked clients = 10 strikes PErm Ban. YOu must create a ban appeal to get unbanned from here.

    now, For the pvp rules, Pvplogging one time = 1 strike. Any non Staff Can take a look for this, Record The player Pvplogging, and the player may get a 15 min jail, But, If the player pvploggs 5 times. and it is all Recorded. Temp Ban 1 day because 5 pvplog= 5 strikes.

    Update for this: staff may decide At one point that Disrespecting Staff = 3 strikes after being warned.

    This is it, If You Staff Actually Take Consideration for this new Strike Systeme, I will be Very Happy. This could help you guys get more organised for the new server Mage is working on Very Happy Once again, This is k1lla92735, The New K1lla92735.

    No. Just no. You're perm banned. Why would we take you seriously in creating a banning system? I'm very happy with the 2 strike system.
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by iivastdogs on Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:21 pm

    Just trying to help, heard ur making a new server from scratch, thought adding that strike systeme would be a nice touch :3 anyways, im just a regular Perm Banned Person, why take Advice from me. But still you know even though im a totally different person now, iivastdogs Does Not exist anymore, still........
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by granjor on Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:24 pm

    I actually like that idea. I never had any issues with you, let alone know you, so no bias.
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by adrianvanderstap on Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:43 pm

    hey ivastdogs u remember me *lolguy* yea you were a d*** to me but im willing to forgive you and hopefully be friends Smile and i hope to see ya on the server . other than that have a nice day
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by iivastdogs on Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:48 pm

    None the less, You never will have issues with me today, im like 100% changed attittide wise and I take following rules as a piece of cake Razz and Thanks, The strike systeme idea came from an admin on another server, I modified some parts and showed it to you guys on here, So it's just like 10% easier to follow than the original one Very Happy.


    Ok apart from this message, Adrianvanderstap, I know that I was a d*** to everyone before, but im fully changed today, Trust me you will like the change in who I am Very Happy. And, I am still not sure I will be unbanned yet, so put a pin on it, alright, This is a Future Cya if I do get unbanned. Lol.
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by Wikwoo on Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:23 pm

    lol iivast
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by iivastdogs on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:27 pm

    Not getting unbanned.
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    Re: Banning System

    Post by PZH145 on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:29 pm

    sorry iivast .
    I was one who wanted to have you come back if that helps you
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